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		<title>Comment on Why is Burning Man still selling tickets at all? by Rick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the 2012 &quot;ticket fiasco&quot; and the enveloping noise tells me is that, regardless of the fantasy facade that BMORG promotes, there is very little difference between the playa and the &quot;default&quot; world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the 2012 &#8220;ticket fiasco&#8221; and the enveloping noise tells me is that, regardless of the fantasy facade that BMORG promotes, there is very little difference between the playa and the &#8220;default&#8221; world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is Burning Man still selling tickets at all? by Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 04:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just pointing something out - in 1991 *everyone* was a newbie. Maybe, if 50% of participants this year are newbies, something wonderful might happen.

 They might improvise new art, they might overturn the established rituals and hierarchies, they might lose it with the cops and start a f...n riot. 

It might be interesting to see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just pointing something out &#8211; in 1991 *everyone* was a newbie. Maybe, if 50% of participants this year are newbies, something wonderful might happen.</p>
<p> They might improvise new art, they might overturn the established rituals and hierarchies, they might lose it with the cops and start a f&#8230;n riot. </p>
<p>It might be interesting to see what happens.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is Burning Man still selling tickets at all? by Burning Man Apologizes! Ticket Update: Radical Inclusion, Meet the Other Nine &#8211; Burning Blog &#124; &#124; Crazy Bernie&#039;s FREE Burning Man Tickets!!!Crazy Bernie&#039;s FREE Burning Man Tickets!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burning Man Apologizes! Ticket Update: Radical Inclusion, Meet the Other Nine &#8211; Burning Blog &#124; &#124; Crazy Bernie&#039;s FREE Burning Man Tickets!!!Crazy Bernie&#039;s FREE Burning Man Tickets!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Why is Burning Man still selling tickets at all? by Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the Karma Kitchen I have seen the &quot;gift&quot; method work for various small businesses and it works well.  You instill a sense of loyalty and caring in customers and in return you get patrons.

We need to trust that the Burner Community will give back and provide what the organization and the playa needs.  Gifting 80% of tickets to returning Burners is a great way to keep the frustrations at bay and build a stronger community.  Ticketholders will understand that if they want to keep this magical world alive they must maintain it. And each person should only be able to receive a ticket for themselves.

Once the returning community is in place, the community that must take the most time to plan, build, and create for the event, it is at this point that you take the remaining 20% of tickets and distribute them to newcomers or re-born burners. Newcomers need to understand the honor of becoming part of the ranks of an established community.  As on the playa, we expect nothing out of the virgins except to try and give back with their time and cleaning up MOOP.  We can&#039;t expect newcomers to understand our gift process immediately and not try to take advantage of the system at first, so charge a ticket price for these tickets.

Every year it seems the gift principles we learn at Burning Man exist only on the playa because the people who run BM have not taken the leap of faith to incorporate it into the entrance process in the default world.  Do something to truly shock the world and give away the tickets so we can show the world that Burners truly know how to give back in order to maintain their community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the Karma Kitchen I have seen the &#8220;gift&#8221; method work for various small businesses and it works well.  You instill a sense of loyalty and caring in customers and in return you get patrons.</p>
<p>We need to trust that the Burner Community will give back and provide what the organization and the playa needs.  Gifting 80% of tickets to returning Burners is a great way to keep the frustrations at bay and build a stronger community.  Ticketholders will understand that if they want to keep this magical world alive they must maintain it. And each person should only be able to receive a ticket for themselves.</p>
<p>Once the returning community is in place, the community that must take the most time to plan, build, and create for the event, it is at this point that you take the remaining 20% of tickets and distribute them to newcomers or re-born burners. Newcomers need to understand the honor of becoming part of the ranks of an established community.  As on the playa, we expect nothing out of the virgins except to try and give back with their time and cleaning up MOOP.  We can&#8217;t expect newcomers to understand our gift process immediately and not try to take advantage of the system at first, so charge a ticket price for these tickets.</p>
<p>Every year it seems the gift principles we learn at Burning Man exist only on the playa because the people who run BM have not taken the leap of faith to incorporate it into the entrance process in the default world.  Do something to truly shock the world and give away the tickets so we can show the world that Burners truly know how to give back in order to maintain their community.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is Burning Man still selling tickets at all? by Not my real email</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not my real email</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Dale, thank you for posting this.  Otherwise, since I really try not to read anything about burning man -- ever -- how would I have found out that burning man has killed itself?  What a wonderful birthday present this news is.  Reading all the boo-hooing in the comments of the &quot;official&quot; blog is better than cake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Dale, thank you for posting this.  Otherwise, since I really try not to read anything about burning man &#8212; ever &#8212; how would I have found out that burning man has killed itself?  What a wonderful birthday present this news is.  Reading all the boo-hooing in the comments of the &#8220;official&#8221; blog is better than cake!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is Burning Man still selling tickets at all? by Elliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was inspired by your article. Submitted a post on Reddit-
http://www.reddit.com/r/BurningMan/comments/pol9v/could_burning_man_be_a_new_frontier_is_it_time/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was inspired by your article. Submitted a post on Reddit-<br />
<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/BurningMan/comments/pol9v/could_burning_man_be_a_new_frontier_is_it_time/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.reddit.com/r/BurningMan/comments/pol9v/could_burning_man_be_a_new_frontier_is_it_time/?referer=');">http://www.reddit.com/r/BurningMan/comments/pol9v/could_burning_man_be_a_new_frontier_is_it_time/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is Burning Man still selling tickets at all? by Nurse Katie</title>
		<link>http://dalelarson.com/2012/02/why-is-burning-man-still-selling-tickets-at-all.html/comment-page-1#comment-25362</link>
		<dc:creator>Nurse Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this thought!  There are defiantly still some issues to work out with the scarcity issue, but I can see it being less of a problem if you have to get all the way to the gate for a &quot;ticket&quot;.  We all know plans can change last minute and there are people who applied for 2 tickets this year who will end up not going at all for some reason or another.....shit happens.  

As far as who to let in....a possible solution could be breaking up &quot;ticketing tiers&quot; by type of participant rather then price......  
large sound and art contributing camps apply for X% of the tickets 
groups working on art installations, cars, interactive projects apply for X%
participants volunteering at the burn apply for X %
individual and smaller art projects apply for X %
and of course newbies can apply for X% of the available tickets

Theoretically this would allow for more control over the mix of participants, which is clearly necessary.  I am truly concerned about participating this year if only 30% of established participants and camps will be there and 40% are all newbies.  If that ends up being the case I foresee disaster!  You can&#039;t have the spirit of Burning Man when 40% of the people there have never experienced it before and my not even know what it is!  Its not fair to seasoned participants or those experiencing Burning Man for the first time.

Perhaps distributing tickets based on a system like I&#039;ve outlined above but with out set prices.  Each participant could then contribute what they are capable and willing financially.....pre-event even........just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this thought!  There are defiantly still some issues to work out with the scarcity issue, but I can see it being less of a problem if you have to get all the way to the gate for a &#8220;ticket&#8221;.  We all know plans can change last minute and there are people who applied for 2 tickets this year who will end up not going at all for some reason or another&#8230;..shit happens.  </p>
<p>As far as who to let in&#8230;.a possible solution could be breaking up &#8220;ticketing tiers&#8221; by type of participant rather then price&#8230;&#8230;<br />
large sound and art contributing camps apply for X% of the tickets<br />
groups working on art installations, cars, interactive projects apply for X%<br />
participants volunteering at the burn apply for X %<br />
individual and smaller art projects apply for X %<br />
and of course newbies can apply for X% of the available tickets</p>
<p>Theoretically this would allow for more control over the mix of participants, which is clearly necessary.  I am truly concerned about participating this year if only 30% of established participants and camps will be there and 40% are all newbies.  If that ends up being the case I foresee disaster!  You can&#8217;t have the spirit of Burning Man when 40% of the people there have never experienced it before and my not even know what it is!  Its not fair to seasoned participants or those experiencing Burning Man for the first time.</p>
<p>Perhaps distributing tickets based on a system like I&#8217;ve outlined above but with out set prices.  Each participant could then contribute what they are capable and willing financially&#8230;..pre-event even&#8230;&#8230;..just a thought.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is Burning Man still selling tickets at all? by Randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the idea of one Burning Man event once a year in one location is not sustainable. If there were more regional burning man events around the world, maybe even simultaneously, not only will it decrease the carbon footprint that 50,000 going to one location causes, it could also alleviate the problems of overcapacity and ticket issues, etc... BM is ready branch out from Black Rock City</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the idea of one Burning Man event once a year in one location is not sustainable. If there were more regional burning man events around the world, maybe even simultaneously, not only will it decrease the carbon footprint that 50,000 going to one location causes, it could also alleviate the problems of overcapacity and ticket issues, etc&#8230; BM is ready branch out from Black Rock City</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is Burning Man still selling tickets at all? by Penrose Don Ricardo</title>
		<link>http://dalelarson.com/2012/02/why-is-burning-man-still-selling-tickets-at-all.html/comment-page-1#comment-25359</link>
		<dc:creator>Penrose Don Ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For most people there&#039;s no difference between paying for their ticket and paying forward for the next person&#039;s. But if they can get in for &quot;free&quot;, they will just spend a little more on beer and bling. If there are bills to be paid, there has to be a system that ensures they are paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For most people there&#8217;s no difference between paying for their ticket and paying forward for the next person&#8217;s. But if they can get in for &#8220;free&#8221;, they will just spend a little more on beer and bling. If there are bills to be paid, there has to be a system that ensures they are paid.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is Burning Man still selling tickets at all? by Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really great to read your blog post and to see your meditative eye on the situation, Dale.  In a true gift economy, driven by dana, not only would the current year&#039;s participants fund the entrance fees with their money, but past year participants might also sponsor a newbie, offering them the opportunity to experience the Burning Man ethos from the git-go.  Those who have had the good fortune to attend the event in year(s) past would voluntarily step down and let those less fortunate have an opportunity to obtain a ticket and go.  Certainly, there would be no gloating over having scored tickets at the lowest tier as there has been in years past by members of the community that could have easily paid more.  We might even see an offering of unused camping gear in &quot;the year we did not go&quot; to those in need of a sturdy shade structure or kitchen set up.  We all know someone who is paying ridiculous amounts of money to store these items for an event that happens once a year.

Just as an aside, the Buddhist center that I attend runs entirely on dana and is definitely &quot;in the red.&quot;  Classes and retreats are taught by volunteers and it is rare when the give and take involved with the dana system takes in more than it gives.  The hope is always that you can cover your costs and that the participants then extend the dana concept into the world at large -- with time, talents and funding being given to the greater communities and to those that we love and interact with on a daily basis.  Is this the intention of the Burning Man organization?  Could the staff support themselves year-round in the fashion to which they are accustomed?  It is not my experience there, but maybe change is in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really great to read your blog post and to see your meditative eye on the situation, Dale.  In a true gift economy, driven by dana, not only would the current year&#8217;s participants fund the entrance fees with their money, but past year participants might also sponsor a newbie, offering them the opportunity to experience the Burning Man ethos from the git-go.  Those who have had the good fortune to attend the event in year(s) past would voluntarily step down and let those less fortunate have an opportunity to obtain a ticket and go.  Certainly, there would be no gloating over having scored tickets at the lowest tier as there has been in years past by members of the community that could have easily paid more.  We might even see an offering of unused camping gear in &#8220;the year we did not go&#8221; to those in need of a sturdy shade structure or kitchen set up.  We all know someone who is paying ridiculous amounts of money to store these items for an event that happens once a year.</p>
<p>Just as an aside, the Buddhist center that I attend runs entirely on dana and is definitely &#8220;in the red.&#8221;  Classes and retreats are taught by volunteers and it is rare when the give and take involved with the dana system takes in more than it gives.  The hope is always that you can cover your costs and that the participants then extend the dana concept into the world at large &#8212; with time, talents and funding being given to the greater communities and to those that we love and interact with on a daily basis.  Is this the intention of the Burning Man organization?  Could the staff support themselves year-round in the fashion to which they are accustomed?  It is not my experience there, but maybe change is in order.</p>
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